Black Tie in Scarface – 1932 Style

Paul Muni (center) aims a Thompson submachine gun as Tony Camonte in Scarface (1932).

Paul Muni (center) aims a Thompson submachine gun as Tony Camonte in Scarface (1932).

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Paul Muni as Tony Camonte, ruthless Italian-born bootlegger and mob enforcer

Chicago, Summer 1929

Film: Scarface
Release Date: April 9, 1932
Director: Howard Hawks

Background

The 1983 Scarface film starring Al Pacino is one of the most popular crime flicks out there, popular enough to warrant the first of many entries on this blog last week. Many people know that it is a remake (although I prefer to think of it as an “update”) of a 1932 film. This earlier movie, also entitled Scarface but given the morality-enforced subtitle The Shame of a Nation, is one of my favorite films of all time.

Ben Hecht’s script for Scarface is adapted from the 1929 novel Scarface by Armitage Trail, which was loosely based on the life of Al Capone. By 1929, the time that the novel was written and around the time the film was set, Capone was at the top of the Chicago mob game. He wasn’t yet under scrutiny for income tax evasion, and he had just risen to kingpin level after neutralizing his enemies with the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre. Prohibition was still the law of the land with no known end in sight. Thus, the film is a great (and rare) depiction of Prohibition during the era’s heyday, when no one was sure when – or if – it was ever going to end.

Scarface was filmed around 1930 and lingered in post-production throughout 1931, suffering delays from censors who found the portrayal of Tony Camonte to be too sympathetic. Howard Hughes, who produced this film years before becoming the world’s richest recluse, reportedly told director Howard Hawks: “Screw the Hays Office, make it as realistic and grisly as possible.”

Although Howard Hughes insisted that the film itself be as realistic as possible, the poster leaves some realism to be desired...

Although Howard Hughes insisted that the film itself be as realistic as possible, the poster leaves some realism to be desired…

The original script had Tony the subject of his mother’s unconditional love. He stayed tough to the end, not surrendering immediately when cornered (spoiler alert). This pissed off the folks at the Hays Office, which developed its code for films partially in response to Scarface. This code “cleaned up” movies for about thirty years until people decided they needed to see sex and violence on screen at any and all costs.

Despite Hughes’ insistence on realism, the Hays Office indeed had their way with Scarface, turning his mother against him and insisting that he goes down like a coward. An additional ending was even shot later with Tony going to the hangman’s noose, but it completely changed the tone of the film and – with additional moralizing scenes and text added – the film was released with the ending of a cowardly Tony getting shot in the streets by police.

Despite the laughable and dated moralizing scenes which tell the audience repeatedly that “We think gangsters are bad and so should you!”, the film is a classic piece of cinematic history. Paul Muni’s animalistic portrayal of Scarface during his rise and fall is legendary.

For more proof that the film is worth checking out, Capone reportedly was a fan of it, despite hating the media-given moniker “Scarface” and giving him such a cowardly finish.

One of my favorite blogs about classic cinema, Girls Do Film, has an excellent synopsis and analysis of the film and its characters. The photos are also worth seeing, perfectly chosen to convey the violence and grandiosity of Scarface.

What’d He Wear?

Old pictures and documents are fine, but the best way to really see what clothing was trendy back in the day is to consult the movies of the era. The costumers of Scarface tell us a little something more about each character based on their clothing.

Just by looking at their dinner suits, the contrast between the more modern and innovative Tony and the older “mustache Pete” gangster Johnny Lovo is very obvious. We can also contrast Tony’s lackeys, from his sharp-dressed right hand man Rinaldo to the slow-witted and clumsy Angelo.

Since the movie predates color film, we’ll assume it’s all black and white, although you should be aware that midnight blue was just beginning to emerge at this time as a stylish alternative for a “darker than black” tuxedo. I would also be very surprised if Tony’s tuxedo was actually maroon or something like that, so I think we can say that black is a safe choice.

"Colorized" lobby cards like this don't offer much help, either.

“Colorized” lobby cards like this don’t offer much help, either.

A pivotal sequence in the film occurs about 3/4 of the way through, with Tony and his gang taking in a production of Rain, a play written by John Colton and Clemence Randolph in 1923. The play was eventually turned into the short story “Miss Thompson” by W. Somerset Maugham and the 1932 film Rain starring Gloria Swanson. For this outing, all of the men are in black tie and it is, opening scene excluded, the first instance in the film of men in tuxedos.

During the intermission of the play, Tony is given the location of rival mobster Gaffney (played by Boris fucking Karloff!) and immediately heads to the bowling alley where Gaffney was found. What follows is Gaffney’s execution at the hands of Tony, an artistically-shot sequence that strangely echoes the murder of Capone’s top hitman “Machine Gun” Jack McGurn, who was actually killed in a Chicago bowling alley four years after the film’s release.

From the bowling alley, Tony takes his gang to the Paradise No. 2 nightclub to celebrate, where he runs into his boss Johnny Lovo (based on Capone’s boss Johnny Torrio and played by decidedly non-Italian Osgood Perkins) and Lovo’s hot main squeeze Poppy. What follows is a perfect sequence of comedy, drama, romance, action, and suspense, Prohibition-style.

Scarface’s Tuxedo

Tony’s black tie ensemble is the most modern. He is the only major character to wear a double-breasted dinner jacket, which was just gaining popularity around this time. His double-breasted jacket, complete with its padded shoulders, makes Tony look even more imposing. Indeed, Muni, despite his relatively average 5’9″ height, looks unstoppable as he looms over the other characters.

No question who's in command here.

No question who’s in command here.

Tony embellishes his jacket with a deco-patterned silk handkerchief, hanging lazily from his breast pocket. The wide satin-faced peak lapels are further embellished with a white flower pinned to the left lapel for the show. His jacket also has jetted, rather than flapped, hip pockets. Flapped hip pockets had been the norm in the early years of dinner jackets before non-flapped pockets became more popular as the formal option.

Until a car accident renders his formality unnecessary, he fastens the top of his 4-on-2 satin-covered buttons, totally covering his waistline. After the aforementioned car accident, he wears the jacket open and we see Tony’s white waistcoat, which is single-breasted and closes in the front with four small white closely-spaced buttons. The notched bottom is widely cut away.

Tony, a little worse for wear but still coming out on top.

Tony, a little worse for wear but still coming out on top.

The tuxedo is completed by a pair of black formal trousers with a satin stripe down each leg to the plain-hemmed bottoms, breaking over black patent leather shoes.

Tony wears a white formal shirt with a turndown collar and single cuffs fastened with dark squared metal cuff links. Like the other formal shirts in the film, it has a stiff, plain front with no pleats and studs down the front. The two studs are different, with the top appearing to be mother-of-pearl and the second a standard metal stud.

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He wears a black satin bow tie with pointed ends, which stays loosely fastened under his collar even after his car wreck.

According to the Black Tie Guide, the best online resource for men’s formalwear, Tony’s tuxedo would have been the cutting edge in fashion at the time:

Previously considered too informal for evening wear due to its lack of accompanying waistcoat, the double-breasted dinner jacket’s popularity skyrocketed in the early thirties thanks once again to Britain’s royal paragon of menswear.  The future Duke of Windsor invariably paired the swank coat with a soft-front pleated evening shirt featuring attached turndown collar and French cuffs rather than the traditional starched front shirt with detachable wing collar and single cuffs.  The overall result, explains renowned haberdasher Alan Flusser, was a look that “brought a new level of informality to the traditional dinner jacket – but with no lowering of the standards that separated those who dressed correctly from those who simply dressed up.”

The platinum blonde moll Poppy notices earlier in the film that Tony is “going in for jewelry”, although the single pinky ring on his right hand pales in comparison to the abundance of gold worn by Al Pacino’s updated-for-the-’80s character fifty years later. This is certainly for the best.

When he heads outside, Tony wears a black fedora with a black ribbon and wide brim. The black hat is certainly no accident, as he is the most villainous of his cohorts and the romance-driven Guino and pure-hearted Angelo have lighter-colored hats. It’s an old trope, but one that drives the message home; Tony may be the protagonist, but there is no doubt that he is the villain as well.

Plus there's no way that crusty looking guy behind Tony could ever be a villain.

Plus there’s no way that crusty looking guy behind Tony could ever be a villain.

The Other Guys

Tony’s right hand man is the laconic lothario Guino Rinaldo, played by George Raft in the role that catapulted him to stardom… somehow. Guino wears a more traditional black tie ensemble but doesn’t look old-fashioned. In fact, he looks more like a matinee idol of the late 1920s. His black tuxedo is very sleekly fitted and makes George Raft’s lean silhouette look taller than his natural 5’7″.

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The dinner jacket is single-breasted with satin-faced peak lapels, also pinning a white flower on for the show. The jacket tapers to the waist and the ventless rear clings to Raft’s torso. The shoulders are gently padded, keeping Guino’s figure sleek rather than formidable. In his breast pocket, a small white handkerchief puffs out above the rim.

The formal trousers naturally have a satin side stripe down each slightly flared leg to the plain-hemmed bottoms, which fall with a medium break over his black patent leather shoes with toe caps and raised heels. The trousers have side pockets and rear pockets; Guino uses his right rear pocket to carry his nickel Colt Police Positive revolver.

Most dates are cut short when the guy whips out a gun, but poor Mabel (or Maisy or whatever her name is) just wants her grasshopper to stick around.

Most dates are cut short when the guy whips out a gun, but poor Mabel (or Maisy or whatever her name is) just wants her grasshopper to stick around.

Guino’s white waistcoat is very similar to Tony’s with large lapels that taper up to the neck, a 3-button single-breasted front, and shallow hip pockets.

Guino is one of the few guys to wear a shirt with wingtip collars, which was the most popular option at the time. It is white with metal studs down the plain front and single cuffs, held together by matching links. He wears a large black bow tie that appropriately echoes the width of the lapels, which are fashionably broad.

George Raft prepared for the role by adding 83 pounds of oil to his hair.

George Raft prepared for the role by adding 83 pounds of oil to his hair every morning.

Guino’s informal hat for exterior scenes is a light-colored, possibly pearl gray, fedora with a narrow brim. The fedora has a wide black ribbon that has a rear bow, rather than the more commonly seen left side bow.

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Sadly, his hats often covered up his well-oiled hair.

When Tony and Guino prepare for their final confrontation against Lovo, we get a good close-up of Guino’s watch that he wears on the inside of his left wrist. It has an octagonal-shaped case, a light-colored face with Arabic numerals, and a black leather strap.

All I know about this watch is that I want to be wearing it whenever it's 2:10. Does anyone have any additional details?

All I know about this watch is that I want to be wearing it whenever it’s 2:10. Does anyone have any additional details?

The only other character who wears a wing collar is Tony’s boss, Johnny Lovo, played by Osgood Perkins. Although Rinaldo looks like a sharp sheik, Lovo looks tired and outdated – as he is. His white formal shirt has studs down the stiff, plain front and round metal links on the single cuffs. Lovo wears a black single-breasted dinner jacket with satin-faced peak lapels, a single-button closure, 3-button cuffs (uncovered, mind you), and a breast pocket with a small bit of white handkerchief poking out.

Lovo, whose position and dinner suit are both rapidly running out of time.

Lovo, whose position and dinner suit are both rapidly running out of time.

Although it sounds similar to Guino’s, it fits very differently and makes Lovo look weak rather than strong or sophisticated. Credit is also due to Perkins for playing Lovo as a man weakened by the imbalance of his lofty ambitions and lack of criminal savvy. Like the rest of the film’s old-fashioned or outdated characters, he wears a black waistcoat rather than a white one. Lovo’s waistcoat fastens low on his torso with a v-shaped opening above the single-breasted closure. Naturally, he also wears black formal trousers.

Tony’s other main lackey is poor Angelo, known best to the gang as “Dope” and played by Pittsburgh-born Vince Barnett. Barnett, although he was only 30 when Scarface was released, looks like he’s already middle-aged and acts like he’s already senile. As the film’s comic relief (providing some very comic moments that I quote everyday), Angelo isn’t the sharpest dresser and looks like a little kid at his first wedding. He wears a black single-breasted dinner jacket with natural shoulders, a link-button front closure, and 3-button cuffs. The link-button indeed became popular in the mid-to-late 1920s, but Angelo doesn’t look too popular in his dinner suit. The jacket has a breast pocket (where Angelo tries to match the other guys with a white display handkerchief) and flapped side pockets, but we can’t hold that against him; flapped pockets were very common on dinner jackets in the first few decades of their use.

Despite his best attempts, Angelo is no Tony. It is interesting, though, to see the use of a link-button front tuxedo.

Despite his best attempts, Angelo is no Tony. It is interesting, though, to see the use of a link-button front tuxedo.

Angelo’s jacket is poorly matched with an off-white button-down shirt with large soft turndown collars. This is likely a light gray or blue everyday shirt rather than an actual formal shirt. He also wears a black bow tie and a black brocade “fancy” waistcoat with a low-fastening single-breasted 4-button front with a v-shaped opening. When he ventures outside, he wears his usual light gray homburg with a wide black ribbon.

The jacket has a short and tight fit, but the trousers are oversized with a large, roomy fit and a full break over his black leather shoes. The costumers knew what they were doing and poor Angelo looks very laughable in his attempt at a tuxedo.

Poor Dope just wants to be one of the guys...

Poor Dope just wants to be one of the guys…

For a different look at black tie in the film, we shift to the stag party that opens the film, where “Big Louie” Castillo – the film’s version of “Big Jim” Colosimo – is celebrating his control of the Chicago rackets. Louie wears a black dinner jacket with satin-faced peak lapels, a single-button front, flapped hip pockets, and a welted breast pocket, where he too wears a white display handkerchief. A colored flower wilts away on his left lapel.

“Big” Louie has certainly earned his moniker; his girth stretches the poor undersized black waistcoat across his vast midsection. The waistcoat has satin lapels, a large notched bottom, and a single-breasted front, where three buttons cling desperately together despite the best efforts of Louie’s stomach to push them away. A pocketwatch chain also stretches across his expansive torso, looped through the waistcoat buttonholes with a fob in the center and the watch stuck into one of the vest pockets.

Big Louie and two guys we never see again.

I’m sure I don’t have to tell you which one is Big Louie.

Louie also wears a rumpled white button-down shirt with double cuffs and a soft turndown collar, both very informal factors at the time this scene is set, which would be around 1920 if it truly is echoing the Capone story. Although he is a mob boss, Louie clearly doesn’t know how to dress the part. He looks more like a beleaguered underling, perpetually sweating in his ill-fitting and disheveled clothing.

Perhaps due to the nature of the evening, Louie’s lackeys also look disheveled in their dinner suits, but at least they’re in better shape and can actually fit into their tuxes. Both men’s suits are similar to Louie’s with the peak-lapel dinner jackets, black waistcoats, and black formal trousers. The fellow on Louie’s right (who kinda looks like Harry Dean Stanton) has a 4-button waistcoat, however. He also has a more colorful handkerchief which dangles from his pocket, begging to either fall on the ground or be used for some booger-catching.

Go Big or Go Home

In trying to date this sequence, I eventually pegged it down to summer of 1929, since it follows the film’s version of the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre (which was February 14, 1929) and it is evidently warm enough that none of the men are wearing overcoats. Since this is Chicago and not Miami, I figure summer is a safe bet.

The sequence from the Paradise No. 2 nightclub to Tony’s final conquering of the Chicago mob with the execution of Lovo is one of my favorite sequences in the history of cinematic crime. As I mentioned earlier, it blends comedy, drama, romance, action, and suspense into one seamless Prohibition-era package. Plus, the sequence involves some of my favorite stuff: tuxedoes, classic firearms, vintage cars, Tin Pan Alley standards, smoking as a sexual metaphor (more on that later), and sexy ’20s dames, most notably Ann Dvorak as Tony’s sister. Dvorak enjoyed a short but successful career, almost always as a lovely but sad sacrificial lamb who fell for the wrong guys in films like G MenThree on a Match, and – of course – Scarface. She was considered for Donna Reed’s role in It’s a Wonderful Life, but her career slowly faded out before she completed her last film, The Secret of Convict Lake, in 1951. Anyway, enough about my ’30s crush…

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The music in the Paradise No. 2 nightclub was provided by Gus Arnheim and his Orchestra, with “St. Louis Blues” and “Some of These Days” providing the backdrop for the dance floor confrontations that set the final act of the film in motion. Unfortunately, this was 1932 so soundtrack albums weren’t yet a thing, especially for non-musicals like Scarface. Thus, the nicely arranged recordings by Arnheim’s band can only be heard as background music in the film. Arnheim, whose orchestra was also an early backing band for Bing Crosby’s solo career, recorded a commercial version of “St. Louis Blues” with Loyce Whiteman providing vocals. Unfortunately, the band didn’t release a studio version of “Some of These Days” – a personal favorite of mine.

Poor Lovo :(

Poor Lovo 🙁

Although he’s been gradually rising throughout the film, this sequence presents how Tony is now living large. He’s surrounded by an entourage of loyal cronies who spring into action when he might be in danger. Tony himself stays cool, showing a nice contrast to Poppy when Lovo nearly trips over his chair upon hearing gunfire in the club. Most of us would probably act like Lovo in that situation; most of us would want to act like Tony.

Despite his more fashion-forward look, Tony shows a preference for old-fashioned taste. Where others smoke cigarettes, he still opts for cigars*. He still wears a pocket watch rather than a wristwatch. And, of course, Tony still uses matches rather than lighters; Poppy famously ignores Lovo’s lighter in favor of Tony’s match, which is about as sexual as 1932 censors would allow.

This is the 1932 equivalent of Sharon Stone uncrossing her legs in Basic Instinct.

This is the 1932 equivalent of Sharon Stone uncrossing her legs in Basic Instinct.

 * Scarface was an early “victim” of product placement in films. You’d never know it actually watching the film, but White Owl cigars paid $250,000 to have Tony Camonte smoking White Owl cigars exclusively. Bonus points go to any of you who can find any in-film evidence that any of the characters are smoking White Owls.

How to Get the Look

Tony and Guino are, by far, the most fashionable characters in the film. If you have a broader frame, Muni’s Tony would offer the best black tie option, where Raft’s Guino would present a better alternative for more slender fellows.

Tony Camonte:scar32-tony-crop

  • Black tuxedo, consisting of:
    • Double-breasted dinner jacket with 4-on-2 satin-covered buttons, wide peak lapels, welted breast pocket, jetted hip pockets, and ventless rear
    • Formal trousers with satin side stripe and plain-hemmed bottoms
  • White plain-front formal shirt with turndown collar, single cuffs, and two contrasting studs
  • Black pointed-end satin bowtie
  • White low-fastening v-shaped 4-button waistcoat with cutaway notched bottom and shallow hip pockets
  • Black patent leather oxfords
  • Black dress socks
  • Black wide-brimmed fedora with a black ribbon
George Raft, disappointed dad.

George Raft, disappointed dad.

Guino Rinaldo:

  • Black tuxedo, consisting of:
    • Single-breasted dinner jacket with 1-button front, wide peak lapels, welted breast pocket, flapped hip pockets, and ventless rear
    • Formal trousers with satin side stripe, side and rear pockets, slightly flared leg, and plain-hemmed bottoms
  • White plain-front shirt with wing collar, single cuffs, and metal studs
  • Black large satin bowtie
  • White low-fastening v-shaped waistcoat with 3-button front, wide notched bottom, and shallow hip pockets
  • Black patent leather cap-toe oxfords
  • Black dress socks
  • Pearl gray short-brimmed fedora with a black ribbon and rear bow

Featured in both above photos is Ann Dvorak as Tony’s sister, Cesca. Dvorak was a welcome addition to the many films she starred in across the ’30s and ’40s.

Do Yourself a Favor and…

Buy the movie or get the “Deluxe Gift Set” which offers both the 1932 and 1983 versions as well as collectible lobby cards and featurettes on both discs.

The gift set was a major Christmas gift to me about ten years ago and probably cost on the better side of $50 then. At a current price of $14.99, the thing is a steal and all fanatics of gangsterdom should own it.

I haven’t read Armitage Trail’s 1929 novel yet, but I would be interested in picking it up sometime. That said, many reviewers say it’s still just as entertaining more than 80 years later, so it’d probably be worth picking up if you’ve got a few extra bucks.

The Quote

After taking control of the city by his execution of Gaffney, Tony heads to the nightclub and butts in on his boss Lovo’s date with Poppy. Poppy, who once despised Tony, is now warm for his considerably richer form. Tony crashes the date, sitting in at their table and immediately begins asserting himself, to Lovo’s dismay.

Tony: I just finish up tonight. Now I play a while.
Lovo: You get your own table, Camonte.
Tony: Why is that?
Lovo: This is a table for two.
Tony: (winks at Poppy) Well, maybe you get another table, huh, Johnny?

That Tony is one slick bastard...

That Tony is one slick bastard…

19 comments

  1. Craig Richards

    IMO the best gangster film made. I believe that this is the only gangster film from that era that has the criminals using Thompson sub machine guns. After Scarface the Hays office required that gangsters, as portrayed in motion pictures, carry inferior firearms than the police/FBI agents. In the gangster films following Scarface, the criminals usually were packing lever action or tube fed semi automatic rifles while law enforcement were packing the Thompsons, a perfect example being “G Men” with James Cagney. Excellent post…

    • luckystrike721

      Craig,
      You’re spot on about the Thompson! I was even going to mention that in my post (right down to using G Men as an example!) I think the only other “gangster usage” of a Thompson from this era is a brief shot of a background gangster in Little Caesar cradling (but not firing) a Thompson during the big NYE robbery. Other than that, we only saw gangsters plunking away with revolvers or Winchester rifles while the police could easily outgun them with their Thompsons. Another film where this is also very notable is in The Petrified Forest as Bogie’s gang all has Winchesters and I think one double-barreled shotgun. I don’t know if we really saw Thompsons in the hands of gangsters until The FBI Story in 1959.
      Glad to hear you’re another fan of the ’32 Scarface. It’s my favorite from that era (a close second is The Roaring Twenties). I feel it compares positively against the Cagney classics because Scarface offers no justification or dated childhood background “five-minute-psychology” scenes. This guy is an unapologetic criminal, pure and simple. (So was Little Caesar, but the only realism I get from that flick is the neon light flickering outside Sam Vettori’s office. Scarface is about as real as these early ones get.)

      • Craig Richards

        Any film that assembles Paul Muni, George Raft, Boris Karloff, and Howard Hawks is a classic. Scarface also has arguably the greatest collection of character actors including, one of my favorites,Edwin Maxwell. He had a bit role in G Men playing a slimy lawyer that attempts to bribe James Cagney’s FBI agent in a scene that was directly copied in Brian DePalma’s The Untouchables, another great film.

        • luckystrike721

          This was a well-timed comment, Craig, as The Untouchables may rear its head later this week. Maxwell really does steal it for his short scene in G Men, and his “Get me?” performance in Scarface solidifies it in the genre.T he rest of the cast really is great, too. Raft is memorably laconic, and the animalistic Muni really owns it. This was the first non-Frankenstein role I’d ever seen Karloff play. I gloat about her plenty in the post as well, but this was the first film that endeared Ann Dvorak to me as well.

  2. Teeritz

    Great post. Very detailed. Despite being a huge Howard Hawks fan, I’ve never seen this version of ” Scarface”. I’m guessing the wristwatch was of the type that jewellery stores carried back then. The lack of any branding has me thinking that it might have been a cheap, but reliable watch that they sold by the truckload. Just a guess.

    • luckystrike721

      Lemme tell you, if you get a chance to watch Scarface, you’ll dig it. I was shocked by how much I liked it the first time I saw it, having watched it on the heels of the ’83 version since they came in the same gift set. It’s the most realistic of the early gangster films, and – in my opinion – the most entertaining, probably partially due to being pre-Code.

      Hmm, your use of “by the truckload” makes me wonder if it might have “fallen off a truck” and ended up on Raft’s wrist. He certainly knew a few guys from the neighborhood…

  3. Hal

    Good article – I’ll have to watch the movie.

    Without wishing to sound an annoying pendant (but recognising I probably will) I think that ‘wingtip’ is a term only applied to shoes – the collar is simply a ‘wing collar’. Although of the characters you’ve shown here only two wear them, the vast majority of the secondary characters (such as Camonte’s gang) and the extras (the dancers at the club) also seem to wear wing collar shirts. I guess the decision to put the others in fold-down collar shirts was to make them standout (Camonte’s emphasizes his youthful fashionable look, whereas Angelo’s and Big Louie’s their lack of familiarity with wearing formal evening wear).

    • luckystrike721

      Hal,
      I’ve often wondered myself about the wing vs. wingtip collar dispute. I heard “wingtip” more growing up (not that I always hanging around shirtmakers or tailors), but it does appear that just saying “wing” is a more formal usage. I consulted my go-to guide for this after reading your post (The Black Tie Guide) and he does indeed offer this advice in a post:

      Formal Fact: “Wing tips” are for shoes, not shirts. If you encounter a formalwear retailer using the term “wing tip collar” leave the store. Quickly.

      And now I feel silly.

      You’re quite right about the secondary characters and extras. I feel that they were probably just given dinner suits off the costumer’s rack while special attention went to the characters I focus on. Angelo’s suit looks especially ill-fitting when you see the film itself. Hope you get a chance to catch it soon, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it!

      For reference’s sake, the post in question is http://blog.blacktieguide.com/2011/11/14/tale-of-two-collars/.

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